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Andrew Young Interviewee: North Georgia, 1981 July 21 [Box 140, Item 8, Side 2]
Topics include: Jimmy Carter's presidential election, the 1976 Democratic Convention, Young's role in Carter's campaign and acceptance from the black community, growing interest in Africa policy, the process of organizing the Civil Rights Movement, negotiation versus confrontation as catalysts for social change, Montgomery Bus Boycotts, negotiation tactics, Sanitation Workers Strike in Atlanta, Carter cabinet appointments, offer by Carter of the United Nation position and reaction.
00:00 - Young and Dent continue to discuss negotiation versus confrontation as catalysts for social change. Sophisticated confrontation involves nonviolent pressure from the community. Economic withdrawal was critical to the success of the Civil Rights Movement.03:50 - The Montgomery Bus Boycott was 'not doing something' against segregation. It is easier to get people to stay home than to go out and be confrontational. There is a process of getting people incrementally more involved, which is what organization is about.05:57 - There were two incidents before Rosa Parks, but nothing was done. They talk about why Rosa Parks was successful.07:20 - Dent talks about Young's skill at negotiation. Young says he is more comfortable with an intellectual confrontation than a physical one. He does not like to limit himself to negotiation. That was his specialty in SCLC. He accepted that role to keep peace with Hosea Williams and James Bevel.10:30 - The secret to negotiation is 'helping your opponent have a face-saving way out.' He talks about the Sanitation Workers Strike in Atlanta in 1969. Young was arrested for sitting in front of the trucks with SCLC.14:58 - Young returns to his discussion of the Jimmy Carter presidential campaign. He talks about watching the election returns from the Georgia World Congress Center and the Omni Hotel. He was being interviewed and making speeches. Mississippi was the state that put Carter over by 11,000 votes. This was the black vote. It was a fulfillment of all of Young's work.17:45 - The Carter transition was headed by Jack Watson. Young and the Congressional Black Caucus did not want symbolic posts; they wanted positions within the federal government that controlled money in order to get more money to the poor and minorities.20:00 - Watson and Hamilton were cooperative. Some of the black people who got in those positions did not feel loyalty to the black community. Young started putting pressure on them to include 'big city ethnic' categories. People were fighting for positions within the administration.23:40 - Young had planned to go back to Congress. He went to Maseru, Lesotho and into South Africa as part of the African American Institute Conference during the transition. The leaders he met there were excited for Carter's election. Young tried to temper their excitement. The Byrd Amendment.27:00 - Young got a call from WSB Radio saying it was rumored that he was going to the United Nations. He had not thought about it and thought he would be more helpful in the Congress. When he returned to the United States, there was an organizing session for Congress. Dick Bowling lost, which discouraged Young. Carter asked to meet with Young in Atlanta. They spoke about Barbara Jordan in a position in the cabinet. Young thought of the United Nations as a 'position for an elder statesman.'[Recording ends 31:43.]
Young, Andrew, 1932-
Carter, Jimmy 1924-
Tulane University Digital Library
Amistad Research Center
Audiocassette, mono. 16-bit
Box 140, Item 8, Side 2, Tom Dent collection, Amistad Research Center at Tulane University, New Orleans, Louisiana
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