Q & A Panel Part 1 (Video)
- [Music]
- So I want to welcome everyone
- to the second annual Faculty
- Author Spotlight.
- Thank you all so much
- for joining us today.
- My name's Melissa
- Chomintra, I'm the Scholarly Engagement
- Librarian for the social sciences
- and geospatial data at Howard
- Tilton Memorial Library,
- and I'm super excited
- to moderate our first of three live chats
- of this virtual series.
- We will have another
- tomorrow and Wednesday with
- two other groups of faculty
- authors that will share
- their work with us.
- And today, we've got a really great
- bunch of faculty authors.
- I'm sure you have been
- enjoying our candid chat so far.
- It's been really nice to sort of
- just chat off the cuff with all of you
- and sort of shake some of the
- semester stress away.
- So today we have with us
- Ronna Burger, Professor of Philosophy,
- who will be sharing their book
- with us, Nature, Law
- and the Sacred Essays In Honor,
- actually, this is really special
- because this was written
- in honor of Ronna.
- So that's something that I haven't
- heard of before.
- So I'm excited to hear more
- about how this happens.
- I know it's something
- that's kind of specific to philosophy,
- from what I understand.
- We also have Dr.
- Dennis Kehoe, Professor
- of Classical Studies.
- They'll be sharing with us
- their book titled
- Roman Law and Economics, Vol.
- 1: Institutions and Organization.
- We also have Dr.
- Kris Lane, Professor of History
- with their work, Potosí,
- if I'm saying that
- correctly, The Silver City
- That Changed the World.
- Dr.
- Nancy Maveety, Professor
- of Political Science
- with Glass and Gavel: The U.S.
- Supreme Court and Alcohol,
- which I'm also excited
- to hear more about.
- Dr. Adam McKeown, Professor of Medieval
- and Early Modern Studies
- with their work Fortifications
- and Its Discontents
- from Shakespeare to Milton: Trouble
- in the Walled City. And
- lastly, Dr. Esra Özcan,
- Professor of Communication,
- with their work Mainstreaming
- the Headscarf: Islamic Politics and Women
- in the Turkish Media.
- So as I mentioned
- that we have a few prearranged questions
- to ask all the panelists,
- and then we'll take
- questions from attendees
- if we've got time at the end.
- So I'm going to jump right
- in with the first question
- and y'all can unmute yourselves
- and answer as you'd like.
- If you all want to answer the question,
- that is absolutely fine.
- If you don't want to share,
- that is also OK.
- We have three free range questions.
- And the first is "How
- and why did you choose your book topic?"
- It's going to start.
- Yeah, I don't want to call on anybody,
- I don't want to be that kind of person.
- Well, I know, right.
- I'll start with this one,
- because my book is
- probably the most unconventional
- in the sense that it's the most
- popular oriented, probably
- of our scholarly works,
- because it's a history of both
- alcohol and alcohol law,
- specifically with respect
- to the US Supreme Court
- and the Constitution.
- But, it's also a history of alcohol
- in American political culture
- and particularly cocktail culture.
- So it's a fusion of
- two of my interests, frankly.
- I'm a scholar of the
- U.S. Supreme Court
- and of constitutional law
- and of judicial decision making.
- And I'm also interested
- in social policy and law,
- but I'm also a cocktail enthusiast
- and an amateur historian of alcohol
- in the United States.
- And so this book was
- an effort to put together two
- interests of mine
- and also to try to find somewhat
- of a more popular frame
- for talking about the history
- of the Supreme Court
- to make it more accessible
- to a broader audience.
- I guess I can also answer my
- book sort of chose me
- because I was., this is a big two volume
- collection of essays
- that involves scholars
- from law, economics and ancient history
- writing about Roman law and economics.
- And I was originally
- a contributor, and I know
- the person who came up
- with the idea fairly well,
- but it soon became pretty obvious that
- he would need a great deal of editorial
- help, especially adapting
- to people who were not scholars
- of the ancient world
- to talking about the ancient world.
- So
- that's how I got involved with mine.
- I'll go ahead and answer
- the question myself.
- My book, Fortification
- and Its Discontents
- From Shakespeare to Milton,
- it was the classic case
- of unanswered questions
- in the first book.
- I did not set out in life
- to be one of the only people
- who does military cultures and literature
- in the early modern world.
- I kind of fell into that,
- as I think a lot of young scholars do.
- It was something I could do.
- I mean, my dissertation was on esthetics.
- You know, I deal
- with pictures and poetry and
- the illusion of images and writing.
- And I was recalled
- and deployed, and suddenly it seemed a
- no brainer
- to write about soldiers and poets.
- In the process of doing that research,
- I kept running into this statement
- that was made in the scholars.
- We get used to hearing these commonplaces
- that need to be questioned.
- Talking about well, of course,
- the new age of warfare,
- because the city walls
- were now torn down
- and armies, etc, etc cetera.
- I love to do archival research
- and I love to do "insitu" research.
- I go out there and I find the old rocks.
- I write better surrounded
- by the old buildings.
- So there I am in Quebec, I'm in the west
- coast of Africa.
- I'm looking at buildings
- that when they were tearing down
- walls, seemed to me
- they're actually building new ones.
- So I wanted to know what this was about.
- And I sort of discovered that
- changes to military cultures
- and militarization
- as a concept were
- forcing radical and
- widespread rebuilding of the
- European environment
- during the periods when the walls
- were supposed to be coming down.
- So I decided to focus on that.
- I can chime in too,
- I mean, my my book is about Turkey
- and Turkish media.
- I'm interested in the country.
- I grew up there, born and grew up there.
- And I was interested in understanding
- the recent history
- and politics since 2002; and especially
- in 2002, the current president
- came to power.
- And since then, the country
- took an authoritarian direction.
- And the book is an effort to understand
- how this happened, why this happened.
- And what is the woman's role in it.
- So it was
- it was kind of an effort to understand
- what happened, how did this happen?
- Because this authoritarian turn
- wasn't expected at the time.
- Nobody could see what was coming.
- So this was an effort to
- try to understand
- what changed after 2002.
- Yeah, I can just say that
- it's really great to be here,
- and I appreciate
- you guys putting this together.
- It's really, really wonderful.
- And I can see with our panel,
- we have as a historian,
- pretty great coverage of time periods
- going from ancient to the present.
- And I sort of fall in the middle
- along with Adam.
- I guess it's the middle.
- I work on the 16th and 17th centuries.
- And I sort of fell into this book project
- after realizing that I just
- was really ignorant
- of the big scope of my topic.
- And I was working on something
- very pointed and
- and definitive about a great fraud,
- a gigantic fraud
- that occurred in the middle
- of the 17th century.
- But I felt like I needed to have
- a sense of the big scope of time.
- And so the place I study,
- Potosí, Bolivia,
- was the most important silver
- producing region of the world
- for several hundred years,
- and it altered global economics.
- And as a consequence, many other things.
- But starting with economics,
- I wanted to globalize Latin America.
- I guess that was my initial desire
- to take a part of the world
- that's often seen as peripheral
- and secondary and often
- victimized by other places
- and try to put it at the center.
- And so I did have an agenda, and
- that was the kind of promote
- this place and say
- globalization is nothing new and in fact,
- Latin America was front and center.
- So that that pushed me along.
- As Melissa was saying,
- it's great to have your book
- that you didn't have to do
- all the work to write.
- I've written books but this is very nice.
- It's not just philosophy, Melissa, but
- it's really, I think, probably
- in German academic world, but festschrift
- like a celebratory writing.
- And it's usually a collection
- of volumes for a mentor or a scholar.
- Typically, you're 65 or 70
- or 75 years old or
- somewhere in that range.
- And it's meant to show the influence
- of that person's work
- by students and other scholars.
- So, as I think in one of those videos
- I said, I've actually been
- at Tulane for 40 years.
- And my first Ph.D.
- student right at the beginning
- of (indeterminable)
- put this thing together.
- And there are other graduate students
- from different cohorts
- over the years
- and friends and colleagues.
- Richard Velkley you know, he's
- got a really beautiful essay
- on (indeterminable) in here.
- And I think that the hard part was
- when you do a volume
- like this, a collection,
- you're just doing it
- by the people who studied
- or were influenced,
- but you don't know for sure
- if it'll come together as a whole.
- And I think we were all really excited
- to see how much this did.
- And the title sort of was
- what pulled it together,
- those themes,
- the conflict or the tension
- between nature and convention.
- And then the way that
- relation is connected
- in turn with the sacred.
- And that reflected my work,
- especially in ancient
- Greek philosophy and the Bible, an uneasy
- relation of the two roots
- of our whole Western tradition.
- So it was exciting to get this.
- And I think it's a way
- beyond what I could have done myself.
- I mean, the essays go all the way
- to Kierkegaard and Descartes and
- Boccaccio, and Dante,
- way beyond my own narrow sphere.
- But you see the residents
- of your ideas and themes over history.
- So it's really very satisfying.
- I can imagine that
- it just seems so special
- and rewarding, you know,
- and obviously very well deserved.
- So thank you all for
- sharing your answers
- to our first question.
- I'm going to ask the second,
- which is "what was the most difficult
- and or most rewarding part
- of writing this or editing this
- publication?" In terms
- of like the process, yeah, your process.
- Well, I guess
- for me, the most rewarding thing
- was to be able to help bring
- a project that I didn't really start,
- but I was part of at
- the beginning
- through many twists and turns
- to a final and I think
- from what other people have said,
- a very successful conclusion.
- And it was partly because
- it involved scholars,
- some of whom are quite famous from
- law and economics in my humble field.
- So, you know, it was a challenge to make
- a work that actually had
- some kind of unity to it in terms of
- its intellectual reach.
- So it was a lot of work.
- So the most satisfying
- thing, I guess, was
- when I got the volumes on my front porch
- in June showing that
- it was actually done.
- I'll go next, just say that
- this may seem like a strange answer,
- but the answer is it hasn't happened yet.
- Those of you who are listening
- or attending the panel
- or not in the business,
- you'd be surprised
- to learn that we don't have
- millions of people buying
- these books, you know?
- So a lot of times the
- influence of what you do
- doesn't manifest for a decade.
- And when my first one came out,
- it was not,
- I don't think it was very well
- received at all.
- Renaissance Quarterly made fun of me.
- Within 10 years, though, two books
- just like it came out.
- You know what I mean?
- Because you're breaking new ground.
- You're talking about somebody
- no one's talked about before
- and other scholars follow you.
- And now I look back on it and say
- that was satisfying.
- Like right now, nobody
- except me is talking
- about fortifications and literature
- in the 17th and 16th centuries; I'm it.
- And at some point,
- someone will ask the same questions.
- And, you know,
- they'll look at my book and say,
- you know, he's got some good ideas,
- but not great ideas.
- I think I've got great ideas.
- I'm going to build on those,
- all of a sudden you see like, wow,
- you're actually enlarging knowledge.
- So I look forward to the satisfaction,
- but I suspect it'll be 5 or
- 10 years from now.
- Thanks for sharing that.
- I think it's a good reminder
- to all scholars and budding scholars,
- you know, to pursue those passions
- and that you might not see,
- you know, these accolades
- come through immediately.
- And it's not always about
- the short game, right,
- but what you actually contribute overall.
- So I think that's a great reminder.
- Oh, let's see, I wanted to add something.
- I've gone kicking and screaming
- into each new technological development.
- But it really is so interesting to me
- because my experience
- for so many decades,
- what Adam just described,
- but now with these sites
- that I never thought
- I would do, but academia.edu
- and these videos, we do.
- I mean, it's interesting.
- Finding out people in
- you know Turkey and all over
- the world are reading your work.
- You can find out where they are.
- I don't know, it's interesting
- to me, it's a very different world
- and especially with our current
- virtual distance learning and all that.
- I think my work has
- gotten more widespread
- quickly than ever before
- because of all these new developments
- that I resisted.
- Yeah, I could I could add to that.
- Just last summer, my book came out
- just before I was traveling
- when it was still possible to travel.
- I traveled to Bolivia
- and I took a bag with,
- you know, as much weight
- as you could put in it, a disposable bag
- with books, just copies
- of this Potosi book,
- because I was going to a conference in in
- Potosí and I wanted to give copies
- to the people in the archives
- and everybody there,
- even though most of them were like,
- let us know when it comes out in Spanish.
- This is nice, but we can't read it.
- But I actually carried these books
- across a swollen river
- and, you know, had this experience of
- I'm actually like in the colonial period,
- hauling books to the periphery to
- distribute them.
- So I guess the most
- rewarding thing for me
- was that experience
- of getting the books
- to the place that the book's about.
- And then if everything else is fine,
- I don't care if the reviews
- are positive or negative.
- Well, I do care, but, you know.
- Did you take pictures of yourself
- with the swollen river?
- I love this idea of like,
- I've got to get these books
- to the archive, man.
- I have pictures of my very wet,
- lower half holding a suitcase
- on my shoulders.
- Too bad it's too late
- for the jacket photo.
- I think that's extraordinary.
- I'm not sure if everybody
- gets that experience.
- I mean, I don't recommend it.
- Swollen river aside,
- but being able to bring,
- you know, this piece of work
- to the actual place that it's about.
- I think that's, you know,
- potentially once in a lifetime.
- I don't know, hopefully not.
- But, you know, very rewarding.
- I'm assuming, I have no idea.
- Well, I was at a conference
- one time and it rained.
- So I guess that was mine.
- It's pretty much the same thing.
- Yeah, I mean.
- I want to know, did you keep
- a journal like, tonight the swollen river
- stopped us in the passage,
- but fortunately, my...
- The great book delivery,
- I'll write that story for The New Yorker.
- Were you wearing a helmet at the time?
- That's like Aguirre and the wrath of God.
- It was closer to that.
- No, but I will say the review process,
- very much as Adam said,
- it's a slow thing.
- And so you kind of,
- you're tempted to keep checking, to
- say, has somebody published a review yet?
- And finally, when they come out,
- they usually, you know,
- they're like they got it or
- no they just didn't get it.
- They didn't see what I was trying to do.
- I had a review like that recently
- where it was clear
- that the author of the review just either
- missed my point entirely
- or was writing about a different book.
- I couldn't tell.
- And then another review came out
- just a little bit later,
- and it was just like,
- oh, man, that's exactly
- what I had in mind. I'm glad it worked.
- Why is it that it didn't
- work with this person?
- You never know.
- This is true, yeah.
- Everyone has their
- own version of your book.
- You know, to speak about the
- the front end of the production,
- we're talking about the reception and
- things like that
- to think about, you know,
- what are both the challenges
- and the rewarding things
- in the production of a book.
- I would say in the case of this book,
- I had a couple of,
- you know, challenging
- but ultimately rewarding experiences.
- One is just the experience
- that I'm sure Kris can identify with,
- any historian can identify with,
- and that is searching through an archive
- and finding the gem,
- the evidence that you needed
- to make some connection.
- In my instance,
- it was between a particular Chief Justice
- and a particular favorite cocktail,
- since that's one of
- the motifs of my book.
- And so among the things
- I did was wade into
- judicial papers, which,
- as many of you know,
- who work with archives are often
- not very well organized.
- And so you're just sifting
- through all kinds of things
- and getting an impression of a life.
- That was really fun for me,
- I don't typically do that kind of work
- because I'm a political scientist.
- But it was immensely fun,
- and I would love to do more of it.
- And then I suppose
- this is may seem
- pretty prosaic and mundane,
- but some of the most rewarding episodes
- for me were securing
- the permissions for images
- that I wanted to use.
- Man, I mean, you wouldn't believe
- some of the hurdles one has to surmount.
- And everybody,
- I believe in copyright law, sure.
- But, you know, there
- are sometimes obstacles
- that you don't know will be there,
- both financial and otherwise.
- And for some books,
- images are really critical to capture,
- you know, an epic
- or to get a sense of a person.
- And when I secured a particular image
- that I wanted having to go
- through a deceased artist's family, well,
- I was like, yeah.
- So that was kind of a that was kind of a
- run of the mill production level reward.
- But I think it made the book stronger.
- Well, I wanted to ask
- what the favorite cocktail was.
- I have to ask.
- I don't want to get
- too deep in the weeds.
- Well, this was Chief
- Justice Harlan Fiske Stone,
- who was known to be a great wine lover
- and who served essentially
- during World War Two.
- He had a pretty short tenure of office.
- But I knew that that was a period in
- which rum was really, really popular
- as a beverage, again, was really,
- really popular in the United States,
- partly because of the legacy
- of prohibition when domestic production
- had been shut down.
- And so consumers in the United States
- had turned to the Caribbean.
- And so this had amped up
- a real taste for rum.
- But everything we knew about stone
- was that, you know,
- he disdained cocktails.
- But I found a hand typed recipe
- that he had saved
- for a rum based cocktail.
- And so it just validated for me
- everything about his era
- and things that we didn't
- necessarily know about.
- This former professor who was supposedly
- a big wine and cheese fan, but also
- partook of the things
- that were popular in the time.
- Very cool.
- I'm going to send Nancy,
- if you don't know, there's
- a website of cocktails
- named after famous scholars.
- I'll send you the link later it's good.
- But on the image issue
- and getting permission,
- the press kind of covered
- up my image with the title.
- This image
- I had picked for another project
- which I heard in the classic
- lecture is Juro Europass.
- It's such a fantastic time of the Greek
- and biblical Hebrew and Greek.
- So this the Temple of Solomon
- with Greek columns and everything.
- It was amazing for me to discover
- the image was so great.
- It really was about Athens and Jerusalem,
- which is my world.
- And then it was a struggle
- to get permission to use it.
- But it turned out it wasn't for my book,
- it was somebody else.
- You know, it was taken
- over by my editor here.
- This whole topic,
- maybe it will spawn questions, but with
- Ron's earlier comment about technology.
- Copyright law isn't
- what it used to be either.
- So in the case of someone who owns
- a photograph is still alive,
- but certainly what Kris and I work with,
- there's no one left alive.
- But so sometimes
- if an archive owns that image,
- if it's actually a
- high quality digital image
- that someone else owns,
- you're allowed to use theirs
- without permission.
- That's changed, that's a new thing.
- And I don't even know
- how I feel about that.
- I mean, that's not what we're necessarily
- talking about today,
- but just sort of the way
- the writing in the scholarly
- writing has changed,
- we can now use images
- without permissions.
- And I feel like some part of
- the book is lost.
- If I didn't get to say,
- you know, I want to express my gratitude
- to the National Archives in Dublin
- as if I've been there,
- they know me, you know what I mean?
- But now I don't get to do that
- because I can just take it
- from someone else who has it.
- You can still you can still give a shout
- out to the National Archives of Dublin.
- They'll always appreciate that, I'm sure.
- Yeah, I advise my
- graduate students
- to plan on another year,
- getting their permissions together.
- It's almost an extra book,
- even though things, as Adam says,
- they've gotten a lot easier.
- It just takes a lot
- longer than you imagine.
- Even with email and PDF and documents
- that you can sign without sending them,
- you know, through the regular mail,
- it's still really tough.
- I had this cover image in mind
- from the very beginning,
- because it encapsulates
- the story of the book.
- It's the mountain,
- it's the Inca and the pillars of Hercules
- that stand for the Hapsburg World empire.
- And the silver in the middle
- is actually visible
- on the on the original image.
- And there are llamas
- and people on the mountain.
- But this image belongs to an Irish baron.
- I had to write to him personally,
- and I didn't know
- exactly how to address him
- like your grace, your mercy.
- Your most humble servant is requesting
- this use of this image.
- But he he said, just call me Sean.
- And so Sean allowed me
- to use this message and this image.
- He sent me a
- handwritten permission and said, no,
- I'm just glad it's
- going to be on the book, that's great.
- But it's that reminder
- that it is a collaborative project,
- even though, you know, we take credit.
- My name is on there as the author.
- There are a lot of other people
- that are involved in the production team.
- And in this case,
- I was even really
- surprised when it arrived
- because they put
- kind of a silver lining into the book.
- I never asked for anything,
- but they kind of
- did a really nice job
- with the production.
- And I was like, man,
- this is this is the best
- looking book I've ever produced.
- I'm really amazed.
- So when a press feels like
- they want to push your stuff, they
- can be kind of nice.
- OK, let's move on to our
- last question
- and then we'll have
- some time for folks to
- ask questions or any of the attendees
- can ask questions
- or y'all can ask questions of each other.
- And then for the attendees,
- when you do want to ask a question,
- I think you have the ability
- to raise your hand
- and then we can unmute you
- if you want to vocalize your question,
- or you can also use the Q&A.
- So our last question, "did
- anything you learn
- while researching
- the topic surprise you?"
- Were there any big
- surprises or things that
- maybe you discovered
- that you didn't expect
- that you'd want to share?
- Well, I had a big surprise.
- One of the papers
- and the thing I was editing
- was written by two economists
- and to make their discussion
- of the ancient world
- seem more historically accurate.
- I wound up coauthoring an article
- with him, a paper with him.
- And so I thought it was kind of cool
- that I work with two economists
- whom I've never even met.
- And we have a coauthored paper.
- So that's being
- interdisciplinarity for you.
- I discovered Ireland.
- Well, I have to say,
- I'm inviting questions on this topic.
- A lot of times probably
- each of us has an area
- that's closely related.
- What we study that we have avoided,
- like the minds of Moriya.
- If you follow the topic
- like this, this dark place
- that I don't want to deal with it
- because too much work,
- I don't know about it.
- For me, doing British studies,
- I mean, doing a lot
- with Elizabethan Jacobean in England
- and you know,
- and also the Revolutionary England,
- I didn't deal with Ireland
- because I grew up with Irish nationalism
- as being such a dominating
- that whole world.
- And in this book, I couldn't
- avoid it anymore.
- I had to start dealing with Ireland.
- And so I did.
- And discovered that in the 21st century,
- a lot of the baggage
- of that sort of fictional
- Irish nationalism
- and that weird Celtic
- racial identification is now
- finally giving way
- to something better and new
- and sort of discovering that whole world
- of scholarship
- that I could get into in this thing
- that I'd been avoiding dealing with,
- I just dealt with.
- And it was so much fun, exciting,
- and I can't wait to do more.
- I can share a surprising point
- throughout my writing.
- So in my book, I'm analyzing
- the columns of human journalists
- who support Erdogan,
- I mean, the guy who
- came to power in 2002 in Turkey.
- So these are women who write in
- newspapers that support him.
- But these women also before
- Erdogan came to power,
- they were seen as people
- who would kind of contribute
- to the improvement
- of democracy in the country.
- So when I started working
- on their columns,
- I thought, OK, I mean, these journalists
- probably they see politics
- differently from me.
- When I started writing,
- I regularly observed
- concentration of power
- in the hands of Erdogan.
- And I mean, I thought
- I was seeing something like I was seeing
- an increasing authoritarianism,
- a concentration of power.
- But I thought they saw
- something different.
- So they they didn't see what
- I was observing.
- Well, when I started
- writing or when I started reading their
- columns one by one, I realized that,
- well, they observe the same things.
- You know, they observe
- more concentration of power.
- They observe increasing authoritarianism.
- They observe things are going wrong,
- but they still support him.
- And they will continue to support him
- and they continue
- to support him to this day.
- So this was a very
- surprising point for me.
- So that was
- something to think more about.
- I had, I think, a surprise
- in reading this book and receiving it.
- I knew that all of the modern thinkers
- would be new material for me
- and very interesting, but new.
- But Adam said before,
- there's something close to your work
- that you have avoided for years,
- and it's a big deal.
- For me, that was the thinker
- Xenophon, writer Xenophon
- who wrote Socratic dialogs,
- but is much less studied than Plato.
- And it's really shameful
- that I've never really studied Xenophon.
- So there's a chapter in
- this book on Xenophon,
- and he was so presently modern
- in a really interesting way.
- And it was just a fascinating study.
- So I got excited about it
- and I'm teaching it this semester.
- So that was an influential surprise.
- Well, I guess among the surprises
- that I encountered in doing this book,
- which I would describe as a fun book,
- I mean, I did it for fun.
- Was first of all, just how much
- constitutional law throughout
- the history of the court's
- interpretation of the
- Constitution and application
- to policy questions, to legal questions.
- How much of that has concerned
- alcohol in some way
- and how alcohol and its regulation
- or questions about the
- right to use it or using it in
- certain circumstances or commerce
- involving alcohol?
- How much of every step
- developmentally of U.S.
- constitutional law
- has some alcohol
- related connection to it?
- And I suspected this
- at the outset, that's why
- I wanted to write the book,
- but the findings were even more,
- well, jarring, I suppose.
- That this really is
- a motif that makes sense
- for understanding U.S.
- political culture
- and constitutional culture.
- Yeah, I think I could add that
- every time you sit down
- to start a project,
- whether it's an article or a book,
- not that we do books all the time.
- They take a long time.
- But it's a process of discovery.
- I mean, you set out thinking
- it's going to look kind of like this.
- And I, I suspect it's
- going to shape up like so.
- And I have a pretty good
- working hypothesis I'm
- fairly confident in.
- And then as you're working it through it
- changes directions,
- or at least in my experience,
- it's a process of,
- oh, OK , I didn't know about that
- and now I need to fill this in
- or I see a gaping hole,
- you know, as Adam
- and Ronna have already said,
- I see something that I missed.
- And I guess I have to go into that now,
- I have to figure that out.
- So in a strange way, writing
- a book is more of a
- a process of discovery for the scholar.
- And then when you're done with it
- at a certain level,
- you're kind of like, OK, now
- I'm on to something else.
- I've I've spent five,
- 10 years working on that.
- Now I think I've got it
- figured out to my satisfaction,
- maybe not to anyone else's.
- And I'm going to do something else now.
- But
- that's satisfying, even if,
- you know, our readerships are not huge.
- That's sort of the nature of the beast.
- And I really do
- appreciate Tulane support.
- I have to say, it's
- been a really supportive place to
- to be a scholar.
- And, you know, all the way along with,
- you know, financial support.
- It's always a struggle.
- I mean, everybody has to
- piece things together,
- but it's been a really good place
- to do scholarship.
- What you say is good advice for Ph.D.
- students, too.
- It's not going to
- all be firmly fixed in the proposal.
- You can remain open to
- new discoveries, if you will.
- Yeah, absolutely.
- I'm going to cheat.
- I know that I said that
- that was my last question for you all.
- But Kris made me think to ask,
- when you're chatting just now about,
- you know, you're already
- on to the next thing
- or thinking about the next thing.
- Would you all mind sharing
- like what that next thing is for you?
- Potentially, if you have
- something in the works
- or that maybe it's
- just a little seedling up in this moment
- if you wanted to share.
- This is a really significant
- question for me,
- because I've been very slow
- 10, 15, 20 years on Plato.
- Another 20 years on Aristotle.
- And I've been teaching these courses
- at Tulane on Bible and philosophy
- and in the academic world,
- as we all know,
- you stay in your own lane.
- But you develop scholarly skills
- and background and training
- and connections.
- It's not so easy to move out of that.
- So I myself in now a number of years,
- probably another 10 years, moving toward
- wanting to write on the Bible,
- which I've been teaching happily.
- But it's different
- to write on something than to teach it.
- So, yeah, that's a really
- interesting experience.
- I think some people are more
- bold and innovative, but
- just how academia can
- keep you round, it's not so easy
- to break out of these alleys and move
- in new directions.
- So teaching can help with that, too,
- because most of us
- teach more broadly
- than our scholarly work, you know?
- Anyway, that's what
- I want to do next.
- I have just completed another
- project after the book,
- it was a journal project,
- and I had an article in it
- about the debates
- that took place in Turkey
- in the last year.
- And my next project,
- I think, is to rest in it.
- And, you know, like gather energy,
- experience life.
- In other dimensions of life
- and then go back to writing back,
- my next project is to
- gather my energy and rest.
- Well, I have a long term project
- on land in many different aspects
- in the Roman world.
- But I also, you know,
- I think a lot of us, we
- get asked to write things, and so
- they always seem to come out first.
- And so right now,
- I'm supposed to be finishing up
- something on poverty in the ancient world
- for a more general collection on poverty,
- economic aspects of poverty.
- And then
- I have another essay that is sort of
- related to the land project, but,
- I was just at a conference
- for the other one just before this.
- And so it always seems like there's
- a lot of things to do.
- I'd like to return to something
- that Ronna mentioned,
- and that's the nexus with teaching.
- One thing that was generated
- by my work on this
- book, was a special topics
- course I did a few iterations of
- and my colleagues
- convinced me to entitle it
- Booze, Drugs and The Courts.
- So it would sound
- more enticing, and I guess it was.
- But what it asked me to think about
- were some of the parallels
- in both regulation and
- rights debates over
- the saga of alcohol in American law
- and current debates over
- both the legalization of cannabis
- and also the saga of narcotic drugs
- and other drug substances
- in the United States.
- And of course, this
- recent election cycle,
- we had some very
- interesting state referenda
- on these questions.
- And, you know, in my course,
- I tried to put it all
- together into some sort of
- organized theme.
- But I learned a lot
- and I learned that
- there are lots of directions
- that this work about controlled
- substances and intoxicants
- and the law could go.
- And, of course, the obvious
- debate to investigate
- is the saga of marijuana
- in the United States.
- And, of course, the current seeming,
- you know, move towards greater
- and greater openness
- with respect to both medical
- and recreational
- cannabis as its preferred to be termed.
- So that represents a huge opportunity
- and ability to coauthor and collaborate
- with people who are
- public opinion scholars
- and things like that.
- So I'm very excited
- about lots of different directions.
- And I continue to research
- historic cocktails, of course,
- and think about
- what should be our totemic
- cocktail for the Trump era.
- For me right now,
- it's a fun question
- and a frustrating one in some ways
- for British studies,
- especially because of,
- you know, finally
- the imperial shadow is withdrawing.
- It's wide open again.
- It's very exciting.
- It's an exciting time to be alive
- in British studies. I mean, it really is.
- As I said, Ireland is you know,
- you can actually do Irish studies
- without having to deal
- with Irish 19th and 20th century
- Irish nationalism.
- You can you can look at things
- like the Ulster Plantation.
- And without having to look at it
- as it is a 20th century problem,
- sort of, you know,
- as the early 17th century
- problem, that that is
- wound up in 20th century politics.
- England itself is sort of looking
- at its own existence
- and questioning paradigms like,
- you know, its isolation.
- I mean, I've seen wonderful
- scholarship coming out of England
- saying like England wasn't isolated.
- I mean, back then, and Dennis
- can probably talk
- to this more; oceans connected, land
- separated, right.
- Getting from ancient,
- what is now China, to what is now
- Europe was really,
- really hard to do across land,
- but water connected things.
- I've seen British scholars
- even questioning
- what did people,
- what did the Anglo-Saxon
- people look like?
- Like what did people look like
- in England back in
- the first century A.D.?
- And the answer is
- they didn't necessarily
- have like red haired brains.
- I mean,
- we don't really know the connection
- between Britain and Phoenician cultures,
- wide open.
- But the same reason is
- wide open here, too.
- So what I would love to do
- is talk more about
- the idea of England in its past
- freed from the legacy of empire and,
- you know, in some ways freed
- from the legacy of 20th century
- Marxist scholarship,
- which merely recast the same paradigms
- of imperial thinking, but in
- sort of an adverse way.
- It's wide open.
- What I would really like to do is go
- and look at this continent
- and especially looking at our, you know,
- looking at people like Red Cloud
- and others as important American figures
- and repositioning them in the dialog.
- I just got out of
- Army War College this year
- and I asked the question
- point blank to the folks,
- which we could do, like
- why are we looking at General Lee again,
- why aren't we looking at Red Cloud?
- You know, why are we talking about
- the tactics of General Jackson?
- Why aren't we talking about Red Cloud?
- Now, I mean, those are questions
- that are vaguely early modern
- that I would love to see us do,
- like reposition.
- Really look at this continent
- as a whole bunch of things
- and a whole bunch of people
- that also contributed to it
- in ways that we haven't
- even started to discuss.
- Does anybody else want to add anything
- before I open it up to questions?
- It looks like we already have
- a couple in the Q&A, so a reminder pop
- your questions into the Q&A,
- which is different from the chat
- we are using the Zoom webinar platform,
- so it's a little bit different.
- You should see a Q&A button
- at the bottom of your Zoom screen.
- So pop those in there, and I'm happy
- to read those out loud.
- Our first question is for Dr. Burger,
- Why do you think
- the themes of nature, law
- and the sacred run
- through our whole tradition?
- Oh, yeah, that's a big question.
- Well, you know, it's often been said
- that philosophy begins
- with the question
- of whether the things that we all accept
- like convention,
- whether any of it
- is actually true by nature.
- Like every society has its own ideas
- of what's just and noble.
- These are the conventions in Plato's
- great image.
- That's the cave
- that every society lives in.
- And philosophy is asking
- whether any of those
- conventions are by nature.
- So that tension,
- which is really I think is the
- you know, the tool of philosophic inquiry
- runs through us all great thinkers.
- Then it's compounded or maybe complexed
- by the biblical tradition
- or revealed religion.
- If there is a creator, God
- is determined reality.
- Is there any nature in nature?
- And how does the sacred
- fit into that dichotomy between
- nature and convention?
- And finally, the issue that I've really
- kind of wrestled with and fought
- with other scholars about
- is whether the Bible and religion
- can have this distinction
- of nature and convention.
- Can the Bible have an idea of nature,
- the reality and the nature of things?
- So, yeah, it's the big questions,
- so it kind of surprised me
- to see the concrete ways
- in which it showed up
- in all these other thinkers,
- you know, from medieval to modern.
- But when you think about it,
- these are such fundamental questions
- that I think last through human thought.
- Mm hmm. Great.
- All right, and next question is for
- Dr. Ozcan.
- The question is,
- it's from Lisa Hoopers.
- So she says, it's
- so great to see you again, by the way.
- She says she has a very good friend
- doing his Ph.D.
- work on an American variation
- of what you have done.
- It's such intellectually
- and emotionally challenging work,
- seeing the parallels
- and knowing plenty of others are looking
- at this modern American moment.
- I'm wondering what techniques
- you could pass on
- to other researchers for separating
- and protecting yourself
- from your own research.
- Thank you, Lisa.
- I can't see you, but
- thank you very much for the question,
- which is a great question.
- I mean, these are very similar topics.
- I mean, when I worked on this book,
- I kept thinking about women
- supporting Trump.
- So and also the last four years,
- like a lot of things
- prompted the reaction.
- I mean, I saw this before.
- And so very similar processes
- are taking place
- in two different countries.
- And there are no techniques
- that I can think of.
- And I suspect there is none.
- These are topics that make you nervous.
- And I think they keep you nervous
- even after you are done
- with the book and everything.
- You don't know where it will land in.
- And so, yeah, I mean,
- I wish I could say something.
- I could promote something.
- But I'm afraid these are
- topics that we have to deal with.
- And I wrote this book
- and now I have to deal with
- anything that it brings to me.
- Right, positive and
- negative.
- And the next question
- I see is also about Erdogan.
- So even Erdogan before came to power,
- he has been and his party
- has been very critical of
- the regime promoted by Ataturk.
- So Atatürk's regime was based
- on a model of a Westernization.
- And so Erdogan came to power
- by constantly
- criticizing these different
- aspects of this project.
- So, I mean, it is
- not so easy, because Ataturk's project
- I mean, has been embraced by millions.
- But there are also
- social groups who fell outside of it.
- So here
- he basically played those dynamics.
- But it is you know, he is on his regime.
- Hasn't been very fond of the project
- brought by Ataturk in the first place.
- Thank you, it looks like
- we've got one more question in that chat,
- this might be our final question,
- it is a very important question.
- It is from Eric Weedig,
- and it's for Dr. Maveety.
- It is were many of the Supreme Court
- Justices bourbon drinkers?
- The answer Eric, is yes.
- Bourbon drinkers?
- Absolutely.
- And bourbon, you know, is popular
- throughout American history,
- right from the beginning
- of the domestic production of whiskey.
- When it's produced in
- Kentucky and gets its name
- all the way up through the 20th century
- and even now in the current
- revival of cocktail culture, et cetera.
- Probably one of the most, you know,
- outstanding bourbon
- drinkers of the Chief
- Justices was probably Fred Vinson,
- who was a very good friend
- of Harry Truman.
- That's kind of how we got nominated.
- And Harry Truman was known
- as a bourbon drinker, loved Bourbon.
- Washington, nowadays, just so you won't
- worry, is not as hard
- drinking a town as it once was.
- People are much more moderate.
- I don't know.
- Is that a good thing or not?
- Who can say?
- But the the stories you read about
- of mid century, last century,
- that sort of culture of alcohol
- and politics
- has been succeeded by very different,
- very different behaviors.
- Did Ruth Bader Ginsburg drink cocktails?
- Yeah, she did,
- and she had a favorite spirit
- which was Campari, which is in Amaro.
- And of course, Campari figures in
- various cocktails,
- including my favorite cocktail,
- which is the Negroni.
- Those are tasty.
- I'll go have one right now.
- Celebrate our successful panel here.
- If you were in New Jersey,
- I'd say be right there.
- This was a lot of fun.
- Yeah. And thank you so much.
- We have one minute left.
- I want to be respectful
- of everybody's time.
- So I do want to take a moment to
- thank everybody who participated,
- whether you are panelists or an attendee.
- I do want to thank
- Courtney Kearney and Amanda Morlas
- and Alan Velasquez,
- who are integral
- to putting this together,
- whether it was editing
- or communicating
- with you all or reaching out.
- All of it took to make this go.
- And, of course,
- all of our faculty authors
- who without y'all,
- this obviously wouldn't be happening.
- And this is extremely fun
- and very lively.
- So thank you for participating,
- especially through
- all of your Zoom fatigue,
- which I know we're all experiencing.
- And then a reminder,
- we'll be doing this again tomorrow
- with a whole new batch of folks.
- So if you want to pop in tomorrow,
- we welcome you all back to hang out
- and do it all again.
- I wanted to add one thing.
- You know, all of us
- and all the faculty
- you go to your conventions in your field.
- So if you're a famous person,
- I know you're all around the world,
- even in our own university,
- we don't really know enough,
- you know, about one another.
- And it's just any
- opportunity like this to,
- you know,
- branch out and hear
- what other people are
- working on is a pleasure.
- Absolutely.
- And that's one of our favorite things
- about this as, you know,
- getting everybody across
- campus together,
- because those opportunities
- don't often exist.
- So it's always really fun.
- And there's a lot of commonalities
- between the struggles that you all face,
- you know, putting this stuff together.
- So it's interesting
- to hear the different experiences,
- but also the connecting threads
- throughout all of this.
- So, again, thank you
- so much for participating
- and enjoy the rest of your days.
- Hopefully it contains a Negroni or two.
- Well, thank you all for using this.
- This is really nice.
- Thank you.
- Thank you. Yes, thank you.
- I've laughed a lot. It's been wonderful.
- I learned a lot, too.
- But it's just been it's been great.
- Just so you know there is a long faculty
- meeting to start.
- Negronis after that.
- Right.
- Bye, everyone.
- Well, thank you.
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