00:00 – The way the movement operated was indigenous to the South in the beginning. A quartet would sing, then they would talk about voter registration, then someone would preach. [It changed] when the Northern whites came in with Bob [Moses] and Stokely [Carmichael]. Dent and Young argue about when Moses arrived in Greenwood and Mississippi. 02:00 – They had no quarrel with SNCC. Dent discusses Greenwood as being influenced by SNCC. He thinks the conflict was over bringing so many outsiders into the movement. Young quarrels with this. He says they were in with some of the preachers and were developing a leadership role the county could coalesce around. They respected the traditional leadership and consulted before doing anything. They were building a role within the community for themselves. 04:40 – When Jim Forman came in with the national SNCC staff, they took over the office. Peacock and Block fell away as Forman, Moses, and Constancia “Dinky” Romilly took over. They discuss church support for the movement. The Reno Café was a place in Greenwood where people gathered. 06:30 – The movement did not change the character of the community [prior to SNCC’s involvement]. Young defends SCLC’s methods of moving in and out of a city, helping to local leadership. Dent asks if SNCC’s methods of living with the people in the community were as valid as the movement part. 08:45 – Young says SNCC’s method was just as valid. The difference is that SCLC accepted the validity of SNCC’s role, but SNCC did not accept the validity of SCLC’s role. Young talks about some of SNCC’s complaints and the influence of Ella Baker. 10:35 – King was used to dealing with strong men and women. His ego was built on not giving in, and he had a hard time giving in to Baker, who was on SCLC staff from 1959-60. Wyatt Tee Walker was brought in to replace her. Young mentions another exceptionally intelligent woman [Uretta?] who got involved in the movement and ended up hating King. King was a chauvinist and would not listen to them. 13:30 – Bayard [Rustin] and Walker tried to capture the charisma of the movement, but King would never be led or manipulated by anyone. He would take everyone’s opinion into account, but did not want to be told what he should do. He preferred objective analysis to emotional arguments. 16:00 – No compatible decision making processed developed between King and Baker or Walker. King did not want to talk about academics. He underplayed himself. He let others argue in meetings and mainly listened. 18:00 – He would get upset about people not doing their work. He made sure that everyone who sent in a contribution got a receipt. He also received a lot of mail and liked the answers to be sent out quickly. Young and others divided them up to read. It was too hard to keep up with answering his mail. 20:30 – King liked to try to read his letters, but was not in the office enough to read them all. Dora or Randolph Blackwell would stay at the office and answer letters. Young thinks criticism of their administration is racism. The point of administration is to accomplish your goals. Young says in Congress they answered all the mail, but it was automated. 23:20 – Dent says that Baker did not run SNCC. SCLC convened the meeting in Raleigh and got out of the way. They could have had a continuing relationship, if not for the bitter relationship between Baker and King and Walker. Bitterness was transferred to the SNCC students. Chuck Jones, Diane Nash and others in SNCC had their own Messiah complexes. They controlled emerging egos with their organizational structure. 24:55 – In 1960, students from movements in over two hundred cities descended on Raleigh. Marion Barry became the first chairman. Young got along with everyone because he had a separate budget. When there were needs, he accommodated. The tension was mainly between SNCC and Walker. He had given them $3000 and they refused to give him a budget. 27:36 – He never spoke to Baker about this. She put him in the same category as the others. There were other male and female tensions. Maya Angelou told him she had been fired from the SCLC office in 1959 and they brought in Jack O’Dell to replace her, which she never forgave him for. 29:19 – Dent asks about Bob Moses. Young says he still talks to Forman. Half of SNCC had ulcers, which SCLC did not. He thought their model of coming down for a single summer set them up for failure. [Recording ends 31:58.]