00:00 – Young continues recapping his follow-up meeting with Cartha DeLoach. Young expresses the unlikelihood that King had stolen any money. DeLoach asked Young if, as a minister, he approved of sexual deviation. Young said there was nothing about King’s personal life that he knew up that interfered with their work or the movement or with King’s family. He did not feel he could make any judgment about anyone else’s sex life. After noticing a picture of DeLoach’s large family, he said that by protestant standards, it is a deviation not to practice family planning. That ended the topic. Young thinks the term DeLoach used was “abnormal” sex. Young, Fauntroy, and Abernathy were the ones who brought sex up. It was not DeLoach. 04:40 – After the meeting, they went on the Nobel Prize trip to Oslo. When they came back, Coretta found an audio tape in the mail, which had been sent to King’s office with a letter. The letter said that King had been “found out” and that this was a sample of the “goods” they had against him and threatened to expose him on a particular day. “There is only one way out for you.” 06:43 – There was a childhood story about King jumping out a window. They think it was interpreted by Hoover as a latent suicide tendency. They thought he would commit suicide. However, the date the information was supposed to have been released had already passed by the time they heard the tape. 08:00 – They listened to the tape as a group. It was a recording from the Willard Hotel the night after the March on Washington. Coretta was with Martin there, but was not in the room at the time. It was bunch of preachers in “locker room” conversation that might have shocked their parishioners, but not their wives or close friends. It was a poor quality tape. They were joking about Ralph Abernathy and laughing. Then there was a long gap and the sounds of a couple having intercourse, but it was not King. They could not tell who it was. 10:37 – There were other similar instances of harassment, which upset King but did not affect his work. While they were in Paris, the FBI announced the arrests of [Lawrence] Rainey and [Cecil] Price. Everyone praised the FBI for this. Then they went back to Selma and started the Selma Movement in January 1965. King did not “moderate” the movement. Young briefly describes the series of projects that followed. 13:28 – The Nobel Prize ceremony. They brought a large group to Oslo, including King’s mother, father, sister, and a few of the SCLC staff members. They went to England first. The organization paid for the staff that needed to go and helped the staff who wanted to go. A lot of people went at their own expense. Only a small group of people get into the actual hall for the ceremony. The symphony played music from Porgy and Bess. Young describes the ceremony. King made his address. Themes from King’s speech paved the way to his opposition of Vietnam. 17:00 – Reverend O.M. Hoover of Cleveland and other friends of King were there. They sat around the piano in the hotel lobby and sang Freedom Songs, led by Hoover. King liked to sing. 19:00 – The next night they sat and toasted with champagne Young had ordered. “Daddy” King gave a speech about how far they had come and toasted to God. Juanita Abernathy fainted and went to the hospital. Around 2:00 a.m. Wyatt Walker woke Young up. Guys on another floor were having a party and brought prostitutes into the hotel and the women were crying and trying to get their money. Young and Walker got them to give them their money, and got the women to go home. “There was always something going on. We had a very lively movement.” 23:10 – They traveled back through Paris. They were not received by the U.S. Embassy due to King’s statements on peace and the War in Vietnam. There was a big rally in Harlem when they got back. Rockefeller was there and King preached about the rich man and Lazarus. There is no sin in being rich, but there is sin and being irresponsible. The crowd, including Rockefeller, was with him. 25:25 – They were invited to Washington to meet with Hubert Humphrey. They met at the Justice Department. They talked about a Voting Rights Bill and Humphrey told them that they were not likely to get further legislation through Congress following the Civil Rights Act. They got a call inviting them to meet with Lyndon Johnson at the White House during the meeting. It had been unsure if they would be received by him due to politics. 26:35 – The meeting with Johnson went fairly well. King said the difference between meeting with Kennedy and meeting with Johnson was that Kennedy would ask you questions for an hour and Johnson would talk for an hour. His private demeanor was similar to his public. 28:00 – More about the visit to Harlem. Malcolm X was in the audience. Young sat with him. He had met with him before. He was relaxed and interested. This was 1964 and he was killed in early 1965. He also came down to Selma while King was in jail. Young went to his funeral but could not get in. King was still in jail in Selma. 31:10 – King talked about Malcolm X. He felt a natural tension and that Malcolm had to have his own movement in order to survive. [Recording ends 31:59.]
